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David Haley
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#32 id:43306 Posted Mar 11, 2010, 1:08 am
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deimos said:No, it isn't. Most of the people running and contributing to these repositories contribute to the OS and software projects found within it. You're going to trust them to make the software, but not deliver it? Shrug. If that's the case, then you should just get comfortable building from source. It's not rocket science, after all.
And yet you place value in people you pay to maintain stuff for you. Surely even you, although you will leave things at that, realize that there is a slight incongruity in the statements you are making.
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Blinx
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#33 id:43352 Posted Mar 11, 2010, 3:31 pm
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quixadhal said:If you want exotic, go find yourself a copy of OpenVMS.
You just broke my heart.
That looks so good (reminds me of Amiga OS) yet I don't have a VAX or Itanium based system (the later one being no. 2 on my "what I would do if I had money to burn" list).
I just thought of the 3 operating systems I consider the worst choices for a server (from worst to best of the worst  ) :
1. MacOSX (cocoa = "TZE DOOM"  )
2. Windows Vista (aero = "TZE DOOM's young, slightly deliberate brother.)
3. Amiga OS (at least somehow fail-safe. Compared to MacOSX and Windows Vista).
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Cratylus
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#34 id:43355 Posted Mar 11, 2010, 3:57 pm
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Blinx said:
That looks so good (reminds me of Amiga OS) yet I don't have a VAX or Itanium based system (the later one being no. 2 on my "what I would do if I had money to burn" list).
Well what's this about? Are you just ####ing around looking for weird #### to do?
Install Linux then install VirtualBox on Linux then install Solaris 10 on VirtualBox then install a
non-global zone in Solaris 10 then install a chroot jail instance in that non-global zone then
run your mud in THAT, and come back and brag about your weird setup.
As for this "worst servers" list, the only one you listed that is arguably a server is
OS X, and that's if you specify the server version. The default versions of what you
listed as "worst servers" aren't servers in the first place, but desktop/workstation OSes.
That's like listing motorcycle models in order of which is the worst truck.
-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
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Blinx
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#35 id:43357 Posted Mar 11, 2010, 4:06 pm
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Cratylus said:Blinx said:
That looks so good (reminds me of Amiga OS) yet I don't have a VAX or Itanium based system (the later one being no. 2 on my "what I would do if I had money to burn" list).
Well what's this about? Are you just ####ing around looking for weird #### to do?
Install Linux then install VirtualBox on Linux then install Solaris 10 on VirtualBox then install a
non-global zone in Solaris 10 then install a chroot jail instance in that non-global zone then
run your mud in THAT, and come back and brag about your weird setup.
As for this "worst servers" list, the only one you listed that is arguably a server is
OS X, and that's if you specify the server version. The default versions of what you
listed as "worst servers" aren't servers in the first place, but desktop/workstation OSes.
That's like listing motorcycle models in order of which is the worst truck.
-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
No. I'm not bored or anything like that.
I'm just overly interested in different operating systems and would like to benchmark as many as possible. My server is going to be Solaris* based, no matter what.
As for the "worst server" list of mine. I confused Vista with Windows Server 2008. There are Amiga OS server releases in existence, though. They are rare and far off the main system path, but they exist.
*+ Virtual Box for the programming and client testing stuff. So I don't have to change systems.
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Blinx
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#37 id:43361 Posted Mar 11, 2010, 4:49 pm
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David Haley said:I'm not sure why you care about benchmarking and comparing if you've already made a decision "no matter what". Seems odd to shop around if you know exactly what you're getting and won't change your mind.
Ok. "No matter what" sounds slightly surreal, I suspect. I would of course change my mind, if I stumbled across a system which is superior in every possible way.
I don't know what is so hard to believe, though. Never tried out multiple systems? That's how I found out that MacOSX suits my graphic design needs.
All that chit chat aside, I still haven't decided on the guest systems (so beside my eagerness to do benchmarks, there's also a rational reason). I know I'll use Windows XP for the programming and client testing stuff. However, since I'll have to return my Macbook (my college screwed the deal in charging me 500 bucks more. That's 1508 euros for the lowest spec 13" machine.) in July, I will have to look for a new (preferably free of charge) OS for my graphical work.
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Blinx
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#39 id:43366 Posted Mar 11, 2010, 5:33 pm
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Anyone accustomed with Corel Painter 11 (my favourite graphics tool, ever since I got that Macbook)?
Curios how the Windows version looks and feels, since that seems to be my only (legal) alternative.
PS: Sorry for all the faulty grammar. Totally downed by college and my stupid Skype acquaintance who wouldn't stop spamming "Men behind the wire". As a Englishman, that song offends me in so many ways.
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ProjectMoon
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#40 id:45097 Posted Apr 12, 2010, 12:27 pm
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Personally, I prefer the more modern versions of Solaris for servers. RingMUD is currently running on top of Nexenta, which is an OpenSolaris derivative. Things like ZFS and zones make it hard to pass up Solaris for a server environment.
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......................... RingMUD - Why do it the easy way when you can overcomplicate it with 40mb of dependencies?
telnet://polaris.thermetics.net:2312 - "Official" RingMUD live development server.
Note:
The development server pulls down nightly builds from GitHub and is a heavy work-in-progress.
Things likely will be broken. Better sample world coming at some point soon.
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Sorressean
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#41 id:45099 Posted Apr 12, 2010, 1:06 pm
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Well, here's my two cents (for what it's worth).
I personally prefer Debian, either for people who are experienced with Linux or just getting started. Things are easy to deploy and extremely easy to configure in most cases with the package manager. I run a linode, which is a VPS, though they balance it out, and that's what I do most of my dev work on. Their packages are really cheap, and I've not had any problems with them, if your looking for a dedicated server. You can also deploy other distros such as gentoo, slackware, ubuntu, debian, fedora, etc. They allow you to delete your profile and redeploy, which takes like 30 secondss, so you cann play with your different choices.
If you sign up, I would prefer if you would use my referal. :)
http://www.linode.com/?r=7bb9ad2d4d5dd2bdb77593f6fc17b0e498b3970e
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......................... Sorressean
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http://tds-solutions.net/aspen
Quote:My programs don't have bugs; they're just randomly added features.
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