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#31 id:27134 Posted Jun 21, 2009, 2:24 pm
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Hades_Kane said:
Tyche said:
Lyanic said:The problem is, there are too many people around the world who think that reproducing without end is their God given right (quite literally).
It's God's command, therefore it isn't a problem.
Plenty of people feel its God's command to jump onto airplanes and crash into buildings, but we find that to be a problem nevertheless.
Troll detection FAIL, as the meme would say. 
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#32 id:27146 Posted Jun 21, 2009, 10:47 pm
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Runter said:Scandum said: The statistics I've seen show a drop in genotypic IQ of 1 point per generation.
This sounds about like the nonsense I'd expect from you, honestly. Link this study.
I can't be bothered digging up the studies. The dysgenics article on Wikipedia used to contain quite a bit of information on the subject, but it was erased by a bunch of liberals.
Feel free to link me up with the studies that show there is no such thing.
Quote:Also, I don't know what you mean by "genotypic IQ."
Genotypic IQ is the IQ of an individual based on their genetics. Phenotypic IQ is the IQ of an individual based on their genetics and interaction with the environment. Someone can have a genotypic IQ of 120, but due to malnutrition or a bonk on the head have a phenotypic IQ of 80.
Quote:Even on its face value this type of claim has always been criticized by a large amount of experts.
Far from, it's well established that East Asians have an average IQ of roughly 105, whites 100, and African Americans have an IQ of 85. The big debate among the so called experts is what part of this difference is genetic, what part is biological, and what part is due to socio-economic influences. In other words, the experts agree the gap is real and has real consequences, they're just fighting over whether it's in the genes or if it's (what it invariably boils down to) because whitie keeps the black man down.
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#33 id:27147 Posted Jun 21, 2009, 10:50 pm
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Scandum said:Runter said:Scandum said: The statistics I've seen show a drop in genotypic IQ of 1 point per generation.
This sounds about like the nonsense I'd expect from you, honestly. Link this study.
I can't be bothered digging up the studies. The dysgenics article on Wikipedia used to contain quite a bit of information on the subject, but it was erased by a bunch of liberals.
Feel free to link me up with the studies that show there is no such thing.
Quote:Also, I don't know what you mean by "genotypic IQ."
Genotypic IQ is the IQ of an individual based on their genetics. Phenotypic IQ is the IQ of an individual based on their genetics and interaction with the environment. Someone can have a genotypic IQ of 120, but due to malnutrition or a bonk on the head have a phenotypic IQ of 80.
Quote:Even on its face value this type of claim has always been criticized by a large amount of experts.
Far from, it's well established that East Asians have an average IQ of roughly 105, whites 100, and African Americans have an IQ of 85. The big debate among the so called experts is what part of this difference is genetic, what part is biological, and what part is due to socio-economic influences. In other words, the experts agree the gap is real and has real consequences, they're just fighting over whether it's in the genes or if it's (what it invariably boils down to) because whitie keeps the black man down.
All rubbish from start to finish. :)
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#34 id:27148 Posted Jun 21, 2009, 11:16 pm
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Runter said:All rubbish from start to finish. :)
A lot of it sounds made up to me too.
I'm especially fond of the "I don't have to bother supporting my wild ass claims" part.
He did a similar thing on TMC...turns out the only support anyone could find was
a joke-ish story.
Good stuff, Scandum.
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#35 id:27152 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 12:19 am
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Rofl. Epic link.
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#36 id:27159 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 3:12 am
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David Haley said:Hades_Kane said:
Tyche said:
Lyanic said:The problem is, there are too many people around the world who think that reproducing without end is their God given right (quite literally).
It's God's command, therefore it isn't a problem.
Plenty of people feel its God's command to jump onto airplanes and crash into buildings, but we find that to be a problem nevertheless.
Troll detection FAIL, as the meme would say.
Non sequitur FAIL.
The human right to marry and found families is so fundamental that even the dysfunctional U.N. managed to discover it.
I won't pretend to understand your Troll memes. I suppose "Communism - hey let's give it another go" or "How to best cleanse the planet of human detritus" (my summary) don't activate your detector.
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#38 id:27162 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 8:50 am
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Runter said:All rubbish from start to finish. :)
Sure, still waiting for the links to proof me wrong.
The article on race and intelligence should back up my claims, the one on intelligence and fertility should speak for itself. Proceed at own risk.
Studies into race and intelligence (egalitarian bias): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
Studies into intelligence and fertility (hereditarian bias): http://www.wikinfo.org/index.php/Dysgenics
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#39 id:27163 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 10:30 am
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Poor Scandum. Nice try, bro.
Here is the problem:
Scandum said:The statistics I've seen show a drop in genotypic IQ of 1 point per generation.
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Scandum said:Genotypic IQ is the IQ of an individual based on their genetics. Phenotypic IQ is the IQ of an individual based on their genetics and interaction with the environment. Someone can have a genotypic IQ of 120, but due to malnutrition or a bonk on the head have a phenotypic IQ of 80.
This is what sounds goofy to me. That there are IQ differences
between populations is pretty meh, given that that it's statistically
shown and you're saying nothing new. Your big fetish is being a
"hereditarian", and these genotypic numbers are what sound
crackpot me. How exactly are you measuring the difference between
your nature and nurture IQ's? I'm not arguing there's no difference,
I'm saying you're posing with your air of certainty about knowing
the difference. You're nicked, me beauty.
But here's the best part.
Not only do the links you provide lack firm support for them,
you, your very own self, indicate lack of consensus:
Scandum said:The big debate among the so called experts is what part of this difference is genetic, what part is biological, and what part is due to socio-economic influences. In other words, the experts agree the gap is real and has real consequences, they're just fighting over whether it's in the genes or if it's (what it invariably boils down to) because whitie keeps the black man down.
Poor Scandum.
Nice try, though, Dr. Science!
-Crat
PS lol at using wikinfo rather than wikipedia.:
Quote:Wikinfo (formerly Internet-Encyclopedia) is a fork of the English Wikipedia initiated by Fred Bauder in July 2003. Rather than adopting Wikipedia's neutral point of view editorial policy, Wikinfo's policy is to edit for either a sympathetic point of view or a critical point of view. Thus Wikinfo can host a set of articles about a particular topic, each presenting a particular point of view, and linked to the others at the top of the article.
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#40 id:27164 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 10:56 am
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Cratylus said:How exactly are you measuring the difference between
your nature and nurture IQ's? I'm not arguing there's no difference,
I'm saying you're posing with your air of certainty about knowing
the difference.
Without knowing what genes increase IQ it's indeed impossible to measure genotypic IQ. You can however make the assumption that if people with an IQ above 100 have less children than people with an IQ below 100, the genotypic IQ is decreasing, even when phenotypic IQ is increasing due to better nutrition. Breast feeding for example is known to increase IQ, hence the recent push for breast feeding, which 10 years down the road will have an impact.
Cratylus said:Not only do the links you provide lack firm support for them, you, your very own self, indicate lack of consensus:
The lack of consensus among the experts is more ideological than scientific. And I can't blame them, for there's a lot of money to be made doing political correct science.
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#42 id:27166 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 11:10 am
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Scandum said:Without knowing what genes increase IQ it's indeed impossible to measure genotypic IQ. You can however make the assumption that if people with an IQ above 100 have less children than people with an IQ below 100, the genotypic IQ is decreasing, even when phenotypic IQ is increasing due to better nutrition.
Tee hee hee. 
flumpy said:Are you seriously arguing for Eugenics? Do you even understand what intelligence is on any level?
Aww, don't take him too seriously. By that I mean it's not worth much of your time trying to reason with him. He's not interested in honest debate, just his pseudo-scientific hand-waving.
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#43 id:27167 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 11:12 am
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flumpy said:
Seriously, you really aught to think hard before you carry on this discussion, because you have all the marks of someone racing headlong into the racist wall at full speed...
That's nothing new.
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#44 id:27168 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 11:12 am
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David Haley said:
Aww, don't take him too seriously. By that I mean it's not worth much of your time trying to reason with him. He's not interested in honest debate, just his pseudo-scientific hand-waving.
hmm guess I was troll food.. but seriously you guys put up with this??
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#45 id:27169 Posted Jun 22, 2009, 11:19 am
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Tyche said:
The human right to marry and found families is so fundamental that even the dysfunctional U.N. managed to discover it.
Oh, I'm glad to see you recognize the right to marry as a fundamental human right :)
For anyone else that might be interested: http://www.whiteknot.org/
Also, on the other topic, I'm pretty sure I've seen studies where a certain country either sterilized or killed the least intelligent (or possibly mentally retarded) individuals in their society, and there was no noticeable drop in the number of individuals born that they were trying to weed out. Go figure. I'll see if I can't find more info on what I'm recalling.
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