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#46 id:27324 Posted Jun 24, 2009, 12:45 pm
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David Haley said:I sort of have trouble imagining the internet as faster than today, though, unless you're talking about very low bandwidth applications... I mean, today people are streaming video, music, and all kinds of stuff at speeds vastly superior to what was available to home users several years ago. 
You don't remember when politicians used to be noble?
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#47 id:27345 Posted Jun 24, 2009, 9:02 pm
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That thread made me regret being banned on TMS almost a year ago for the first time since then. Funny enough what I was banned there for was for the type of post I now want to reply to and regret being banned over. (Was the last time Locke was posting, he was arguing with Kavir and myself, Lasher defended Locke. I replied to Lasher with something along the lines of hinting that he was only supporting Locke because as a DIKU License violator himself he had to to make himself look better and got banned for it.)
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#48 id:27352 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 12:33 am
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I just stumbled on the other thread there and read the whole thing. Samson, you did a magnificent job!
I find it very hard to believe this pile of testosterone sparsely laced with human genes is, indeed, 31 years old. And if he scored 156 on an IQ test, then it must have been written by the same cheezewhiz filled condoms that have been defiling the minds of American children for the last 30 years. "Here, I'll put your name at the top of the page, then you make some marks. Then we'll score it with a BIG number so you can feel good about yourself! Won't that be nice?"
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#49 id:27354 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 1:37 am
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I think what bugs me more about the situation over on TMS is that there's no outcry against it. There's even people half defending him who should know better.
I mean seriously, he's now openly stealing the codebase and attempting to license it in such a way that would allow him to make money off of it as though it were his own. Not only stripped credits but now stripped licensing on top of that. What he's doing is far worse that what Vryce has done because Locke is now poisoning the community pool with the results and in a couple of years there will be people who honestly don't know any better and who might get themselves into serious legal trouble by following his example.
This goes way above and beyond his attempts to browbeat people into bowing at his feet for OLC. This could be very damaging to the community as a whole and I fail to see why I and one other person are all the resistance he's getting.
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#50 id:27355 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 1:40 am
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#51 id:27357 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 2:23 am
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As far as I can see, the following header is on all the source files in the "new" distribution:
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* NiMUD copyright (c) 1993-2009 by Herb Gilliland *
* Includes improvements by Chris Woodward (c) 1993-1994 *
* Based on Merc 2.1c / 2.2 *
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* To use any part of NiMUD, you must comply with the Merc, Diku and NiMUD *
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* Michael Seifert, Hans Henrik St{rfeldt, Tom Madsen, and Katja Nyboe. *
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* Chastain, Michael Quan, and Mitchell Tse. *
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I'm interested to see how complying with the Diku & Merc licenses fits with the new NiMUD license...
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#52 id:27358 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 2:27 am
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Interesting. So he added those to the code currently residing on Google while slapping a GPL license on it at the same time?
Those credits were all missing from the March distribution and every distribution prior to that as well, so something clearly changed just recently.
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#54 id:27361 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 3:05 am
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Davion said:Locke has me utterly confused.
What's it like being dead, btw?
@Samson: Yeah, I found it very interesting that he added Diku/Merc headers to the distribution whilst simultaneously violating the licenses in an entirely different way.
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#56 id:27369 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 11:16 am
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Maybe his IQ is just so much higher than the rest of us that we can't simply understand his superior reasoning skills.
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#57 id:27373 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 11:58 am
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While I've never paid all that much attention to legal issues, it totally floors me that someone would think it's ever possible to *change* the license of something they didn't themselves make. I mean, as I've said before, I think Locke has some clever features coded into his MUD, but it's very clearly a Diku derivative.
It's a bit like me adding lime juice and vanilla ice cream to coca-cola, and then trying to claim a right to some of the Coca-cola company's revenue because I "created" a lime-and-coke float.
He's more than welcome to add additional restrictions to NiMUD, but he can't take away what was already there unless the Diku team comes out of retirement and douses him with holy water.
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#58 id:27374 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 12:17 pm
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quixadhal said:He's more than welcome to add additional restrictions to NiMUD, but he can't take away what was already there unless the Diku team comes out of retirement and douses him with holy water.
Well, that has happened before. We lost AxL because of it.
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#59 id:27380 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 1:28 pm
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First off if you have a mud, you must credit me! if you use forms of the written word you must also credit me. In every single help file you have and you must beat off to my image nightly.
If you use any snippets formed by anyone, you must also credit me, because I invented them. Granted I do not have the experience to even form all the of the snippets into any sort of compilable code, I will still take credit for it anyway.
Also if you use a mud client, you must credit me in your mud client and your web site in big pink sparkly letters!
If you breath you must credit me by putting my name in big letters across your forehead because I invented air as well.
We also know that I AM the true inventor of You tube, so credit me in all your videos!
Hmm, anything I'm missing, oh yea you must all type that "FRENZE IZ ZE GENUIZ" 1 million times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#60 id:27398 Posted Jun 25, 2009, 3:52 pm
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At this point, even Locke knows he is wrong. I think he's just trying to get a rise out of people. I mean really, I deal with real honest to goodness copyright laws on almost a daily basis (I'm a musician IRL and knowledge of "artistic property" applies here). What Locke proposes is just absurd and he knows it. By his own words he insists that if there is even a "similarity" between "his" code ( something he hasn't even established ownership to) and your code, then you must comply to his biblical-like whims. But he admits to having similarities in his own code and Diku but yet he refuses to comply with the Diku agreement. Hmmm.....looks like the pot is calling the kettle black.
My mud started out as an ENVY 2.2 (UE release) and has since be totally re-worked over the past decade or so. Hardly any of the original code is left and I, myself, even added quite a few extra .c files (of totally original authorship) to the code. The way to game plays is totally different from an Merc/Envy based mud but it is still a Diku-based mud and will always adhere to the Diku license. Even if I had coded the entire mud from the ground up using all original code, areas, etc, and the game played and acted like a Diku mud, I would still have to credit the Diku team or face a possibility of copyright infringement . Copyrights not only cover the materials, but also concepts and ideas.
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