http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=rssfeed&f=29 MUDBytes Community - Issues relating to area building and world design. Let your creative voice be heard! en MUDBytes Community 60 ./skins/Mudbytes/images/mbheader.png http://www.mudbytes.net/ http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=2772&p=50501#p50501 Strangely enough I was playing the NES Nobunaga's Ambition last week for nostalgia and thought the same thing. http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=2772&p=50501#p50501 Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:47:33 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (Tavish) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49738#p49738 Heh, as long as we don't go all grammar nazi on me! Sprachen ze einglish! For me looking at it from a developer point of view, it would be easy to add in extra variables to it if I decided anyways: I could make a central table where I have different percentage chances of different weather in a central function, then I could have separate functions that could further modify it by different variables, for example, a central function that computes the percentages for weather in a given room, ar http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49738#p49738 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:09:51 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (Rudha) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49736#p49736 [quote](effect? affect? not sure)[/quote] Well... [url=http://lpmuds.net/davidhaley3.jpg]since you asked[/url] :tongue: it's affect. The magic effects affect the weather, but the simulator effects the weather output. affect, noun: an emotion, feeling affect, verb: to create an impact on something, or act upon effect, noun: a result, consequence effect, verb: to make happen So to get technical, if you are changing the weather, you're affecting it... but, if you are actually the root cau http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49736#p49736 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:56:42 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (David Haley) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49735#p49735 I think, for the initial implementation at least, that's what I'll do. After I have that working sufficiently well, I can decide if that feels like it's "enough" for me, and the world, or if I feel we need to go "deeper" with our model and start getting more complex. There is still, however, the question of having meaningful variables (or rather, meaningful "chances" or however you choose to describe it), beyond the obvious - for example it becomes a matter of design deciding when and where I http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49735#p49735 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:48:41 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (Rudha) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49734#p49734 Yes: my suggestion is to model only the changes in output, not the changes in the factors that a 'proper' simulator would use. Put another way, model only the first degree, not the second degree that drives the first degree. Or put yet another way, for the mathematically inclined perhaps, model the output function but not the first (or second) derivatives of the output function. http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49734#p49734 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:45:56 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (David Haley) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49732#p49732 I think I didn't really understand what you were getting at. I thought you were saying to have all these variables in one big thing as opposed to seperate things, whereas seeing that example now, you seem to be speaking to the difference between modelling a statistical simulation against modelling the various variables behind weather. Maya/Rudha http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49732#p49732 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:40:21 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (Rudha) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49730#p49730 [quote=Rudha]When I have separate modules for - say - wind, precipitation, and temperature - if its just one of those not working properly, I can much more easily isolate that variable. That said they'd not be completely independent any more than say - my stamina system is separate from my health system, or either are seperate from my stats system. Things always have overlap. But if I model all three in the same function, it's more difficult to isolate the variables. That's what Im saying http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49730#p49730 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:35:58 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (David Haley) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49727#p49727 [quote=KaVir]Another alternative: Some muds base their game weather on the real weather. This would work particularly well for a mud set in the real world, of course, but you could use it for other worlds with a little modification. This would allow you to have very realistic weather without needing to develop a complex weather system. [/quote] A consideration for Elvenblade with its weather module is that I have some weather that's [i]not real[/i]. This comes through a few ways. First o http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49727#p49727 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:17:23 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (Rudha) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49724#p49724 I pulled the numbers for my weather system out of thin air and it works quite well. You just need to pick numbers that will produce the effect you want when put into your system. http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49724#p49724 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:59:17 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (chrisd) http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49720#p49720 [quote]A) a monolithic single system trying to model all the variables and would be more difficult to diagnose when things go wrong[/quote] I'm somewhat surprised that you say that a state transition system would be harder to diagnose than one that involves many moving parts with many different angles of interaction. [quote]The problem for me modelling things on statistics is weather can be unpredictable and statistics can be skewed. I'd need to find a fairly accurate set of numbers from a http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&t=3017&p=49720#p49720 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:04:35 PDT Building and World Design nobody@example.com (David Haley)