09 Nov, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 121st comment:
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I think that Democrat conspirators whispered it into Paulson and Bush's ears. But I can't quite recall, frankly. For that matter, I can't quite recall either if it was McCain's idea to buy back all the bad mortgages – that must have been another conspiracy.
09 Nov, 2008, Runter wrote in the 122nd comment:
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Everyone knows if you're a democrat you're actually noble. You've transcend politics. You're now the Hand of the anointed one, Barack Husein Obama.
09 Nov, 2008, David Haley wrote in the 123rd comment:
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I'm not sure what point you think you are making other than just being incredibly sarcastic.
09 Nov, 2008, Chris Bailey wrote in the 124th comment:
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So what would you consider yourself Runter? If you fall in line behind neo-conservative imperialist's like John McCain and George Bush I hope you don't consider yourself a Republican, because they certainly aren't. I love that in todays day and age people fail to see when their beloved party has been subverted, and continue to follow them blindly into the unknown.
I consider myself a conservative democrat and have done my best to distance myself from the socialist agenda that a lot of democrats today seem to be supporting.
09 Nov, 2008, Runter wrote in the 125th comment:
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Haha. If you're going to make that jump–That John McCain, one of the most liberal-moderate people in the republican party, is a neo-conservative imperialist–Well, I'm just going to laugh.

That's probably the most uneducated political statement I've ever heard. (Albeit copy pasted from Obama campaign commercials.)

John McCain time after time has put his career and standing with the republican party on the line to be an ally of more moderate and liberal agendas. There's a reason he was not the choice of the far right. He was consistently attacked by every far right figure from talk radio to the mainstream news.

I'm a liberal republican. I don't support George Bush, but it's pretty ridiculous to try to lump John McCain, which some of us have been following for a lot longer than the smear campaign of 2008, with George Bush.

Yes, it was a popular thing to do when trying to elect The Messiah, but let's be real for a second. If you've done a bit of research on John McCain you'd find he was far closer to the center than Barack Obama.

Also, I find it pretty funny that you would say my party has been subverted and I'm now following it blindly. Right before you say the truth, "the socialist agenda that a lot of democrats today seem to be supporting."

edit: Also, I don't really care if you want to insult me and call me a "neo-conservative imperialist" without knowing me, but the fact that John McCain is a war hero and has done great things for this country throughout his career is indisputable. It's indisputable because of the mountains of evidence that even Obama admits to. I think it's disgraceful for someone to make the claims you are about someones record which is a flat out distortion.

I'll remind you that Joe Biden before being picked as Obama's VP said he would be honored to run WITH John McCain if asked. Let's be real for second. Both Hillary Clinton and Obama praised McCain when they didn't think he was going to be the republican candidate during their own races.

John McCain has been courted by the conservative elements of the democratic party in the last 3 years to become a democrat. Himself admitting to giving it consideration.

It really seems to me that you'd be the type to repeat the "100 years in Iraq" comment which was a ridiculous attack repeated constantly out of context to prove John McCain is some kind of war monger. Or maybe the other statement about him saying we may well "muck through" Afghanistan which was another ridiculous out of context attack.

Here's what he actually said regarding staying in Iraq for "50" or "100" years.
John Mccain said:
We've been in Japan for 60 years. We've been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That would be fine with me, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. It's fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintained a presence in a very volatile part of the world.
09 Nov, 2008, Cratylus wrote in the 126th comment:
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CB wrote:
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imperialist's like John McCain and George Bush


Those men are patriots.


CB wrote:
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I hope you don't consider yourself a Republican, because they certainly aren't.


Those men have failed to live up to the ideals
of conservatism. That is indeed puzzling, but
more than that, I think it is a powerful clue to
why so many republicans stayed home on November 4.


Runter wrote:
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I find it pretty funny that you would say my party has been subverted


It has been. It is now in utter chaos, having
lost its sense of purpose and direction. That,
and not the "liberal media", is why republicans
failed this cycle.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
09 Nov, 2008, Chris Bailey wrote in the 127th comment:
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I misspoke once again. What I was going for there was "Neo-conservatives like John McCain and Imperialist's like George Bush". You might consider that opinion ignorant and uneducated, but it is what I believe. And at no point in time did I say that you were blindly following your subverted party Runter, I said that I love how people do that in todays day and age. Then I mentioned how I did *NOT* blindly follow the socialist agenda adopted by many of those in my party of choice, so your second statement is less ironic than you believe.
09 Nov, 2008, Runter wrote in the 128th comment:
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I don't agree with that. The reason republicans lost is because of the economic crisis that faces this country and most swing voters believe republicans are to blame. Before this really blew up, I'll remind you that John McCain was leading in the polls.
09 Nov, 2008, Chris Bailey wrote in the 129th comment:
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You also seem to put a lot of work into labeling me as a supporter of Obama. Can you name a time in which I've mentioned that?
09 Nov, 2008, Runter wrote in the 130th comment:
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You're not a supporter for Obama? But rather the imperialist neo-con, great satan, John McCain?
09 Nov, 2008, Chris Bailey wrote in the 131st comment:
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I misspoke when labeling McCain an imperialist(which I mentioned earlier) but no, I'm not a supporter of the neo-conservative John McCain OR Barrack Obama. I firmly disapprove of Barrack Obama's vision of wealth re-distribution as I'm currently understanding it.
09 Nov, 2008, Runter wrote in the 132nd comment:
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I misspoke when labeling McCain an imperialist


Then I'm sure you'll understand why someone would believe the words that come out of your mouth when you said it the first time.
09 Nov, 2008, Confuto wrote in the 133rd comment:
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Runter said:
Haha. If you're going to make that jump–That John McCain, one of the most liberal-moderate people in the republican party, is a neo-conservative imperialist–Well, I'm just going to laugh.


How is he not a neo-conservative, may I ask?
09 Nov, 2008, Chris Bailey wrote in the 134th comment:
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ChrisBailey said:
If you fall in line behind neo-conservative imperialist's like John McCain and George Bush I hope you don't consider yourself a Republican


Is it that far of a step to "If you fall in line behind neo-conservative's and imperialist's like John McCain and George Bush" ? We all make mistakes.
09 Nov, 2008, Runter wrote in the 135th comment:
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How is he not a neo-conservative, may I ask?


As you quoted me saying, I was referring to "neo-conservative imperialist."

But let's actually break down what the word means.

From dictionary.com:
n.
moderate political conservatism espoused or advocated by former liberals or socialists.

Specifically the word is originated from the 1960's which is why I always cringe when I hear it being replayed into todays politics.

I'm not sure what people even mean when they say it in the context it was used. Maybe they mean "ultra-conservative." Or maybe they mean what the word actually has meant, A liberal or socialist advocating moderate political conservatism.

Clearly, John McCain has never been an ultra liberal nor an ultra conservative. He's been hated by both spectrum of political opinion.
09 Nov, 2008, Runter wrote in the 136th comment:
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Chris Bailey said:
ChrisBailey said:
If you fall in line behind neo-conservative imperialist's like John McCain and George Bush I hope you don't consider yourself a Republican


Is it that far of a step to "If you fall in line behind neo-conservative's and imperialist's like John McCain and George Bush" ? We all make mistakes.


Yeah, that would have been a pretty different thing to say. Specifically because it isn't linking George Bush and John McCain as clones, which as been a democratic theme in 2008. So yeah, it's different.
09 Nov, 2008, Chris Bailey wrote in the 137th comment:
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John McCains interventionist approach to foreign policy alone is enough to label him a neo-conservative.
09 Nov, 2008, Runter wrote in the 138th comment:
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So tell me what you mean by neo-conservative, then? I just put the definition out there and I don't understand why you're even picking to use that word.
09 Nov, 2008, Chris Bailey wrote in the 139th comment:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconserva... for a better idea of what modern neo-conservatism is.
09 Nov, 2008, Confuto wrote in the 140th comment:
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Chris Bailey said:
John McCains interventionist approach to foreign policy alone is enough to label him a neo-conservative.


I have to agree with that, it's the main reason that John McCain is labelled "the last neo-con."
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