08 Mar, 2007, Omega wrote in the 61st comment:
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nah, pausing and slowing dowdn and spellchecking aren't in my nature, infact, its quite opposite of who i am :P

besides, no time todo that while at work, its always difficult to get things written before staff wanders around and have us do things.


tis the life of the military.
08 Mar, 2007, Fizban wrote in the 62nd comment:
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Really though I probably type at least as quickly as you do but yet I don't make spelling or grammatical errors (well no more than other people do anyways I certainly can't claim to NEVER mis-spell a word). You may be an intelligent person but on a forum all people have to judge you by is written text and poor grammar/spelling does make people look less intelligent.
08 Mar, 2007, Omega wrote in the 63rd comment:
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that is a good point, and personaly, it doesn't bother me that people judge me based on my spelling, i simply don't have time to care for it while at work, i really don't.

And when i'm at home, i usualy don't care there either, why? Because i spend more of my time worrying about other important things, and not caring about what people think of me is a big one :)

if people want to judge me based on my forum spelling/grammar, then they have too much time on their hands, personaly, commenting on peoples spelling/grammar is just a silly way of diverting attention away from something else.

And as of my last tt(typing test) i type 113wpm prettyy consistantly, with roughly 2% error rate, and i do this for a job, typing that is, tis part of my daily grind, and frankly, the only time i care about it is when i'm submitting memo's and other documents up the chain of command to my superiors, because thats when it really does count.

Outside of that, i just don't care.
08 Mar, 2007, Justice wrote in the 64th comment:
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Tyche said:
Justice said:
Having just checked the diku, merc, and smaug licenses, none of them grants the right to distribute.


Oh they didn't?

Diku License:
This document contains the rules by which you can use, alter or publish parts of DikuMud.

USC 17.1 Section 101:
“Publication” is the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending. The offering to distribute copies or phonorecords to a group of persons for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display, constitutes publication. A public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication.


Interesting then isn't it, that the Diku license specifically prohibits most of these actions. Sale, rental, lease, etc. Unless you're believe that it's a phonorecord and distributing constitutes a public performance?

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You may under no circumstances make profit on *ANY* part of DikuMud in
any possible way. You may under no circumstances charge money for
distributing any part of dikumud - this includes the usual $5 charge
for "sending the disk" or "just for the disk" etc.
08 Mar, 2007, Fizban wrote in the 65th comment:
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You may under no circumstances make profit on *ANY* part of DikuMud in
any possible way. You may under no circumstances charge money for
distributing any part of dikumud - this includes the usual $5 charge
for "sending the disk" or "just for the disk" etc.


It does give the right to distribute, it doesn't give the right to charge money for distributing…
09 Mar, 2007, syn wrote in the 66th comment:
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Hey everyone, some of you will recognize my name from MM and TMC.

Anywho over the last couple years of using hosting services and breaking into the coding game Ive heard more of Kyndig and his chosen method of enforcement. While nothing personaly has happened to me, I do listen to and respect many of your voices in the community. I hold the voice of you, fellow developers and players, above his. Though that may be convoluted in its own way, it's like being in the military the guys in the trench dont give a fig about the general, but the person next to them.

I read crat's post which I was heretofor unaware of, and confirmed alot of my perceived and storied items. In the past I have even sung Kyndigs praises for his hosting, however, I honestly can't continue to have him as my provider. This is not coming from any actual battle I have had with him, (unless you count them not activating my built in SQL database I wasnt ready for for 3 months and charging me that so expensive dollar anyway..).

So it comes down to hosting services you all would recommend. Price really isnt an issue, I regard quality of service and equipment higher then the bargain purchase.

-Syn
09 Mar, 2007, Cratylus wrote in the 67th comment:
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This is where I usually point new DS admins:

http://dead-souls.net/ds-admin-faq.html#...


-Crat
09 Mar, 2007, Guest wrote in the 68th comment:
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So it comes down to hosting services you all would recommend. Price really isnt an issue, I regard quality of service and equipment higher then the bargain purchase.


Obviously I'd recommend my own service: http://www.arthmoor.com
Wolfpaw is also good, but isn't looking for any new mud accounts these days.

Some others, I don't know much about them, but options never hurt:
http://www.rpg-works.net/
http://www.silverden.com/
http://www.dune.net/
http://www.genesismuds.com/ ( They have old compilers and such though, Kayle can attest )
09 Mar, 2007, syn wrote in the 69th comment:
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Samson said:
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So it comes down to hosting services you all would recommend. Price really isnt an issue, I regard quality of service and equipment higher then the bargain purchase.


Obviously I'd recommend my own service: http://www.arthmoor.com
Wolfpaw is also good, but isn't looking for any new mud accounts these days.

Some others, I don't know much about them, but options never hurt:
http://www.rpg-works.net/
http://www.silverden.com/
http://www.dune.net/


Samson Im not showing where it reports what ram/cpu limitations are per each account. Whats your policy on those?

-Syn
http://www.genesismuds.com/ ( They have old compilers and such though, Kayle can attest )
09 Mar, 2007, Guest wrote in the 70th comment:
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I don't impose any strict specific limit. I monitor for "reasonable" usage. Tends to give people a bit more latitude in what they can do that way. But that doesn't mean you'll be able to spike 50% cpu and 200MB of ram in one process either.
09 Mar, 2007, syn wrote in the 71st comment:
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Samson said:
I don't impose any strict specific limit. I monitor for "reasonable" usage. Tends to give people a bit more latitude in what they can do that way. But that doesn't mean you'll be able to spike 50% cpu and 200MB of ram in one process either.


Hehe nice. The RoT im currently playing around with only runs about 4-5 megs of ram and usually 0 cpu.
09 Mar, 2007, Zeno wrote in the 72nd comment:
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I've been with Arthmoor for a while now, and well… to sum it up, I'm still with them. ;)
09 Mar, 2007, Tyche wrote in the 73rd comment:
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Sandi said:
Slow down here. This is bull. The reason was specified. And it's Clarabell that's the "unreasonable, irrational and intemperate" one. How do you manage to twist things in your mind so Darien is the bad guy?

Your premise seems to be that, for example, Russ Taylor would not ask Kyndig to remove ROM from the download area if a similarly unfair banning though association happened to Russ, but I'm not convinced by your assertion it wouldn't happen. Seems to me you're the one making emotional arguments.



No, I think your assumption that the authors of Diku, Merc, ROM, Godwars would engage in revoking the licenses of those who aren't violating their licenses is unfounded, just for the simple reason that I am not aware of them doing so. One doesn't assume people will engage in acts damaging to their reputation and users trust unless they actually have done so. And it's not an emotional argument to point out that since an author revoked the license grants of someone that wasn't in violation of their license, that they are likely to do it in the future to someone else.

Now when an author revokes the promises made in their license grants, they do harm the general mud community. Sanctioning such childish and retaliatory behavior makes it just that much more difficult for the rest of us to work in an atmosphere of trust with other programmers and builders; and with users of our own software. Thing is most of us will have to deal and have dealt with this shit on another level. Sooner or later you're going to find yourself in a situation where you fire a coder or builder for some reason and no matter how carefully crafted builders or coders agreement you thought you had, they are going to demand you remove their areas or code. So knowing that revoking one's license will be lauded and celebrated on certain forums just encourages those to engage in it.

Trust is an earned commodity, and so is bad faith.

I'll give you some hypotheticals a bit closer to home. Let's assume that members of the ROM team have their muds listed at MudQuest. Your group de-lists them for some reason and they retaliate by revoking your license and anyone else associated with your mud list site to run a ROM. Or maybe they aren't listed and use the threat of revoking their license to blackmail your group to get on your listing. Sound like something they'd do and that we ought to defend?

It's one thing to defend an author's right to exercise reasonable control over their works, but it's quite another thing to cheer those authors who after releasing their works use them as a tool to control others through childish retaliation, suppression of criticism, blackmail, or for reasons unrelated to their original license grant.
09 Mar, 2007, Tyche wrote in the 74th comment:
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Fizban said:
Also Tyche does not seem to be saying you had no right, so much as saying you were not in the right. That's the difference between right and wrong in an ethical or rational sense, not whether you were legally in the right.


Exactly. At least one person gets it.
09 Mar, 2007, syn wrote in the 75th comment:
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Zeno said:
I've been with Arthmoor for a while now, and well… to sum it up, I'm still with them. ;)


Just signed up myself. Heres to a new life :)
09 Mar, 2007, kiasyn wrote in the 76th comment:
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I prefer to pay $30/month ($20US) for a VPS.
09 Mar, 2007, Tyche wrote in the 77th comment:
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Cratylus said:
Did you really think I meant "gently redirected my opinion of my action in this regard"
in a way other than sarcasm? Oh please tell me you did!


I read that as sarcastic. I certainly didn't read all the rest as sarcasm though. More fool me.

Cratylus said:
What I choose to do with my copyright is my business. And what Darien
chooses is his. Thanks for worrying about my consistency, I'll thank you
to keep your eye on your own.


May DeadSouls 2 be blessed with many contributions, and may they be later revoked by the contributors. >:->

No… that was mean and nasty.
I don't wish it on you or anyone else, nor do I wish it on Kyndig.
09 Mar, 2007, Guest wrote in the 78th comment:
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Tyche said:
Fizban said:
Also Tyche does not seem to be saying you had no right, so much as saying you were not in the right. That's the difference between right and wrong in an ethical or rational sense, not whether you were legally in the right.


Exactly. At least one person gets it.


I should think you would be on the side of the author. Kyndig received a valid order to cease and desist. He refused. It doesn't matter why he received the order. Without Darien's consent, the code could no longer be distributed there. End of issue.

It sounds to me that you support code socialism, not authors' rights. You seem to be implying that once released to a site you lose your right to control the work. That somehow the act of releasing it transferred these rights to the site it was submitted to.

No, I'd say it's you and Fizban who don't get it. The rest of us seem to get it just fine.
09 Mar, 2007, Fizban wrote in the 79th comment:
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I should think you would be on the side of the author. Kyndig received a valid order to cease and desist. He refused. It doesn't matter why he received the order. Without Darien's consent, the code could no longer be distributed there. End of issue.


Certainly, Tyche seems to be stating why he finds it to be immature to have requested the code be removed, not that Kyndig should have ignored Darien's request so much as why was Darien's request made in the first place.

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It sounds to me that you support code socialism, not authors' rights. You seem to be implying that once released to a site you lose your right to control the work. That somehow the act of releasing it transferred these rights to the site it was submitted to.


The difference appears to be he is discouraging using that right, not claiming that the right doesn't exist.
09 Mar, 2007, Omega wrote in the 80th comment:
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hey, i'm all up for people using my code,

but kyndig needed to be taught a lesson, not that he really cared, he was just being a dick.

i removed my code because he insulted me, on a personal level, by dragging me into a fight.

i don't see what the issue is here, and besides, its done, over with, i'm still not there submitting my
code, and i won't be until he gets off his high horse, and acts like a mature person.

Which he won't do, he's got too much pride.
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