11 Oct, 2009, Guest wrote in the 1st comment:
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http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topi...

As a result of the above linked poll, the following amendment has been made to the rules:

"Topics and/or posts on religion and/or politics are not permitted here."

There will be a grace period of 7 days to allow existing topics to wind down, but no new ones should be posted during that time. After that time frame, the ones still open will be locked.
11 Oct, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 2nd comment:
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Samson said:
http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topi...

As a result of the above linked poll, the following amendment has been made to the rules:

"Topics and/or posts on religion and/or politics are not permitted here."

There will be a grace period of 7 days to allow existing topics to wind down, but no new ones should be posted during that time. After that time frame, the ones still open will be locked.


Since a discussion on evolution touches on neither politics nor religion,
I expect that will be allowed to continue.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
11 Oct, 2009, Guest wrote in the 3rd comment:
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I would expect that not to be the case as no discussion on evolution ever stays separate from religion. Certainly the active one here now has not performed under that expectation.
11 Oct, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 4th comment:
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Samson said:
I would expect that not to be the case as no discussion on evolution ever stays separate from religion. Certainly the active one here now has not performed under that expectation.


Perhaps people who bring up religion then could be disciplined, rather
than punish everyone else who is obeying the rules by locking the thread.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
11 Oct, 2009, KaVir wrote in the 5th comment:
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May I propose a clarification that the rule only apply to real world (as opposed to in-game MUD-related) religion and politics?
11 Oct, 2009, Guest wrote in the 6th comment:
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Or you could just abide by the decision and live with it.

I don't think it takes much of a leap of common sense to know that a topic on biological evolution will result in someone bringing it up, period. You want to start splitting hairs, we can surely amend things to cover that, but you could just as easily stop making such a fuss about it to begin with. Or you could take Sandi's advice and go open yourself a forum where evolution can be discussed ad nauseam.

KaVir said:
May I propose a clarification that the rule only apply to real world (as opposed to in-game MUD-related) religion and politics?


Yes, you can, and that's a good point.

Does this work?

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Topics and/or posts on religion and/or politics as it pertains to the real world are not permitted here.


Or should it have a specific mention of in-game material as an exception?
11 Oct, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 7th comment:
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Samson said:
I don't think it takes much of a leap of common sense to know that a topic on biological evolution will result in someone bringing it up, period.


Except the rule doesn't say "don't bring things up likely to make someone
else talk about religion". The rule doesn't make me responsible for what
other people do. Therefore I expect to be able to start a thread on evolution.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
11 Oct, 2009, Sandi wrote in the 8th comment:
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The problem is that for some people the mere existence of the "theory of evolution" is either a heresy, or at least a threat, to their beliefs. I feel in fairness to all, it needs to be considered out of bounds.
11 Oct, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 9th comment:
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Sandi said:
The problem is that for some people the mere existence of the "theory of evolution" is either a heresy, or at least a threat, to their beliefs. I feel in fairness to all, it needs to be considered out of bounds.


Are discussions of astronomy out too, since they refute a 6,000 year old earth?

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
11 Oct, 2009, Guest wrote in the 10th comment:
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Apparently some folks are incapable of functioning on more than just the explicitly stated text. That's not our problem. If you can't reasonably conclude a topic on evolution will spark a religious debate, that's on you, not on the text of the rules.
11 Oct, 2009, Sandi wrote in the 11th comment:
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Cratylus said:
Samson said:
I don't think it takes much of a leap of common sense to know that a topic on biological evolution will result in someone bringing it up, period.


Except the rule doesn't say "don't bring things up likely to make someone
else talk about religion". The rule doesn't make me responsible for what
other people do. Therefore I expect to be able to start a thread on evolution.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net

And I expect to see you banned.

I told you, it's not your party.
11 Oct, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 12th comment:
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Samson said:
Apparently some folks are incapable of functioning on more than just the explicitly stated text. That's not our problem. If you can't reasonably conclude a topic on evolution will spark a religious debate, that's on you, not on the text of the rules.


If evolution is out all I'm saying is put it in the rules so people know. I
sincerely do not think a discussion of evolution falls under that rule,
and if it's meant to, it should say so explicitly.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
11 Oct, 2009, Lobotomy wrote in the 13th comment:
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Samson said:
ad nauseum.

It's ad nauseam.
11 Oct, 2009, Guest wrote in the 14th comment:
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That can be arranged, though I think it's a colossal failure of common sense not to realize where such a topic would lead, as it already has here.
11 Oct, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 15th comment:
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Samson said:
That can be arranged, though I think it's a colossal failure of common sense not to realize where such a topic would lead, as it already has here.


I appreciate it being made explicit. Can I have a ruling on astronomy? Is that also forbidden?
11 Oct, 2009, Guest wrote in the 16th comment:
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Do you have some actual point to make or are you going to nitpick your way through this ad nauseam?

In any case, this is what it's being amended to:

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* Topics and/or posts on religion and/or politics are not permitted here. An exception is made for discussion of in-game specific politics and religion.
+ As a secondary to this, topics on Darwinism/biological evolution are also not permitted as they have a high chance of sparking religious flamewars.
+ Other topics will be judged as needed at the discretion of the MudBytes staff.


And in case you really want to nitpick, yes, we're counting admins and moderators together in that lump called "staff".
11 Oct, 2009, Orrin wrote in the 17th comment:
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Samson said:
And in case you really want to nitpick, yes, we're counting admins and moderators together in that lump called "staff".


I certainly won't be involving myself in this farce.
11 Oct, 2009, Guest wrote in the 18th comment:
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Orrin said:
Samson said:
And in case you really want to nitpick, yes, we're counting admins and moderators together in that lump called "staff".


I certainly won't be involving myself in this farce.


Not sure what you mean by that.
11 Oct, 2009, Orrin wrote in the 19th comment:
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It means I won't be adjudicating topics based on the likelihood of them sparking religious flamewars. I recommend you reserve this duty for yourself.
11 Oct, 2009, Koron wrote in the 20th comment:
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I can find a religion to argue with just about any point you want to make. Loki's teachings have served me well.
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