19 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 1st comment:
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I was thinking of looking into a VPS to host a MUD on, and I believe some of you use them, so I was interested as to where you host with. Affordable ones with good customer service, decent amount of hdd space and cpu/memory useage for possibly 2-3 MUDs (main port and code port and another), ect. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
19 Apr, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 2nd comment:
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Banner said:
I was thinking of looking into a VPS to host a MUD on, and I believe some of you use them, so I was interested as to where you host with. Affordable ones with good customer service, decent amount of hdd space and cpu/memory useage for possibly 2-3 MUDs (main port and code port and another), ect. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Interesting. How come you don't use evileye hosting?

In any case, see this thread about VPSes: http://mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&am...

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
19 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 3rd comment:
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Cratylus said:
In any case, see this thread about VPSes: http://mudbytes.net/index.php?a=topic&am...

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net


Thank you much.
19 Apr, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 4th comment:
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Banner said:
Thank you much.


No prob!

Note that in that thread I share my unpleasant experience with SWVPS.

If someone were to post on a forum saying that SWVPS is good, or
that they plan to use SWVPS, I would probably take the time to explain
the bad experience I had with them.

This, I think, is helpful because it helps folks avoid terrible service.

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
19 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 5th comment:
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Looking over the thread, I don't think I'll be using them either, I think it's between Quantact and VPSland.

EDIT to add:
However, what is the difference between Xen and OpenVZ?
19 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 6th comment:
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At any rate, what packages are necessary for the C/C++, and any other necessary packages that one should install?
19 Apr, 2009, David Haley wrote in the 7th comment:
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Banner said:
At any rate, what packages are necessary for the C/C++, and any other necessary packages that one should install?

The C/C++ what? Necessary packages for what?
19 Apr, 2009, tphegley wrote in the 8th comment:
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I will say that Linode is $20 bucks a month for your own server. It has very good service and you pretty much have free reign to do what you want. If it's just for your own mud then you will have way more then you need, but it's still nice.
20 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 9th comment:
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David Haley said:
Banner said:
At any rate, what packages are necessary for the C/C++, and any other necessary packages that one should install?

The C/C++ what? Necessary packages for what?

Libraries. I got them, but thanks anyway.

At any rate, I went with Quantact, set me up in less than 15 minutes and appears to be goind smoothly.
21 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 10th comment:
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Do you guys generally run apache2 from your VPS to handle the websites for your MUD? I'm having issues with apache hogging way too much memory with such a low limit. I'm also unsure as to whether I should use the mpm_worker or mpm_prefork for lower memory, but both of them seem to eat it up even with tweaking from the default settings. Any ideas?
21 Apr, 2009, David Haley wrote in the 11th comment:
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What you could do is limit the number of child processes, but yes, Apache is notorious for using a lot of memory. If you only need a very simple HTTP server, there are many other lightweight options to consider.
21 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 12th comment:
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I was considering Lightppd. I only need php, mysql, and other very common features, as it'll only be serving my one website. Would lightppd do the trick or do you have other suggestions?
21 Apr, 2009, David Haley wrote in the 13th comment:
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To be honest, I don't have much hands-on experience myself with lighter-weight alternatives since I've never needed to care, but lightppd is pretty well-known and seems to satisfy many people.
21 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 14th comment:
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Wouldn't hurt to test drive it, I guess. Thanks.
21 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 15th comment:
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And Lighttpd eats more memory than Apache with mpm_worker and fastcgi. :(
21 Apr, 2009, Fizban wrote in the 16th comment:
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tphegley said:
I will say that Linode is $20 bucks a month for your own server. It has very good service and you pretty much have free reign to do what you want. If it's just for your own mud then you will have way more then you need, but it's still nice.


I second the Linode suggestion. Very happy with my Linode 720 (though probably not the pricing you're looking for on that package…).
21 Apr, 2009, Cratylus wrote in the 17th comment:
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Banner said:
Do you guys generally run apache2 from your VPS to handle the websites for your MUD? I'm having issues with apache hogging way too much memory with such a low limit. I'm also unsure as to whether I should use the mpm_worker or mpm_prefork for lower memory, but both of them seem to eat it up even with tweaking from the default settings. Any ideas?


I do prefork.

Apache does tend to have pretty large mem use defaults, I recommend
editing the conf and lowering the number of spare servers and such.

Note that just because memory is being used does not mean that it is being hogged. Your OS is
likely to be caching files in memory for faster subsequent access. Even after editing the conf
you should expect almost all your memory to be "used" if your httpd gets hit a lot.

The way to know whether hogging is happening or whether normal caching is happening
is to use the free command, and look over to the right of the display to determine
how much of the memory being used is caching. If it's a large number, relative to
total memory, you'll know that what is happening is normal and not something
to worry about.

Another giveaway is if you kill the apache process, but the memory is still "used".

-Crat
http://lpmuds.net
21 Apr, 2009, Orrin wrote in the 18th comment:
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Banner said:
I was considering Lightppd. I only need php, mysql, and other very common features, as it'll only be serving my one website. Would lightppd do the trick or do you have other suggestions?

Take a look at nginx. There's also a brief tutorial about it on my blog.
21 Apr, 2009, Banner wrote in the 19th comment:
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I was thinking of Linode as well, as Quantact gives 256mb of RAM for $20 whereas Linode will give me 380mb I think it was. Cratylus, I tweaked the servers and stopped and started the server both with Apache and Lighttppd, and I'd have nearly 100-120mb free with Apache whereas Lighttppd would leave me with 0-70mb depending on the fastcgi server settings I tried. will try nginx next.
21 Apr, 2009, Hades_Kane wrote in the 20th comment:
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I'm with Quantact and have the 128 Ram/month plan and am running apache, with 3-4 webpages and 2 MUDs… I'm having no issue with memory.
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